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26 thoughts on “Have a Comment? Play Nice.

  1. I have a daughter a freshman at Warsaw High School in Missouri. She has been attacked by a football player,he choked and slapped her, nothing was done to him, yesterday a girl attacked her, pushing her and then the girl hit her, my daughter defended herself and was suspended from school. she has taken all the racial comments and all the derogatory comments and bulling from this group of girls since the 6th grade, she has talked to school staff numinous times. nothing has ever been done to stop these girls and at times boys from doing this. I need help from the Latino civil rights group, to stop what I believe is racial motivated attacks on her. Thank you for the help I know will come.

    • Jacki thanks for sharing your daughter’s story with us and our hearts go out to both of you. We will email you separately to talk about how we might be able to help.

    • Javier: This is a no brainer. As a Puerto Rican Citizen, you are AMERICAN. In 1914, Teddy Roosevelt invaded the Island and General Citizenship was granted to all Puertorricans so that the can be called upon to fight to the US government during the Spanish American War and WWI.
      You do not need a green card. You should have an American Passport. Your wife, once she married you, must have passed all the requisites of immigration otherwise you would not have been able to get through the tougher laws for teaching jobs (though your command of English is suspect). If you work as a teacher or in a school as you state, by law, your employer has to verify that you are eligible for employment of face monumental fines. Again, no green card for Puerto Ricans. We are Citizens.
      You were not born in Mexico were you? then you are Mexican. There are many Dominicans coming in the island and passing themselves off as Puerto Ricans, stealing Identities and taking short cuts. This has not endeared them to the otherwise loving people of the Island of enchantment. Much violence has resulted because of this. People will help you if you are telling the truth about truth birthplace. Some can be rather unforgiving. Be careful either way and good luck

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  3. My immigration case can help you and other people to make positive solutions to US Immigration System. My immigration case involves the will (wish and intention), civil liveries, civil rights, 14 & 11 Admement and Due Process of law of a citizen from Puerto Rico. My case will provide information for a problem not known by US Citizens and your administration.

    Back ground: When US Citizenship stepparent filed a petition for his stepson but died before the date of approval of the petition. The petition becomes no longer valid. The US Citizen has no living relative who could continue with the immigration process of his stepson.

    “Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction!” said former US President Ronal Reigan.

    From Julio (US Citizen from Puerto Rico from 1920 generation) to his son Javier (born in Mexico generation 1977) is now disfranchised. The freedoms of the first generation of families are in danger because they are not allowed to finish the process of US immigration because the petitioner passed away and US Immigration Officer did not make the time to approve the case! The current US Immigration law has failed to protect the sons of US Citizens who marry a person who do not have a US Citizenship but have a legal residency in the US.

    Case: The (Julio) US Citizen was born in Puerto Rico and married a woman from Mexico (Francisca). She had two children under age (Javier and Roberto). Francisca was a legal US resident with a Green card. Julio and Francisca married in Los Angeles County 1986. Julio passed away of Esophageal Cancer 08/16/1995. US Immigration programed an appointment for Julio in June 25, 1995. By Executive Sentence Dictated in Mexico on 08/30/1995 by the Second Court of this city Julio recognized Javier as his legitimate son. Javier mother passed away from cancer in 1999. Javier filled an appeal to US Immigration department but the appeal was denied by District Director, Los Angeles California in September 18, 2003. Is important to mention Julio and his family lived in California.

    Javier came here following US immigration law with a petition made by my father a US Citizen. The civil liberties, due process, 14 & 11 amendment and will of my father were ignored by us immigration system. The immigration system is giving the message that the rights from a US Citizen does not exit. Therefore marriage between a man (Puerto Rico) and a woman (Mexican) are less. This gives the effect to disfranchise the children of Puerto Rican/Mexican married legally in California.

    Javier case can help you to present facts and problems of US Immigration and create dialog to find solutions. Javier came to this country following his family unit respecting the US Immigration law. Javier studied at Huntington Park Highs School (LAUSD) and attended Cypress Junior College. Javier got the opportunity to work with California School system, non-profit organizations and business sector. Javier need help to find a solution to his immigration status
    My immigration case can help you and other people to make positive solutions to US Immigration System. My immigration case involves the will (wish and intention), civil liveries, civil rights, 14 & 11 Admement and Due Process of law of a citizen from Puerto Rico. My case will provide information for a problem not known by US Citizens and your administration.

    Back ground: When US Citizenship stepparent filed a petition for his stepson but died before the date of approval of the petition. The petition becomes no longer valid. The US Citizen has no living relative who could continue with the immigration process of his stepson.

    “Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction!” said former US President Ronal Reigan.

    From Julio (US Citizen from Puerto Rico from 1920 generation) to his son Javier (born in Mexico generation 1977) is now disfranchised. The freedoms of the first generation of families are in danger because they are not allowed to finish the process of US immigration because the petitioner passed away and US Immigration Officer did not make the time to approve the case! The current US Immigration law has failed to protect the sons of US Citizens who marry a person who do not have a US Citizenship but have a legal residency in the US.

    Case: The (Julio) US Citizen was born in Puerto Rico and married a woman from Mexico (Francisca). She had two children under age (Javier and Roberto). Francisca was a legal US resident with a Green card. Julio and Francisca married in Los Angeles County 1986. Julio passed away of Esophageal Cancer 08/16/1995. US Immigration programed an appointment for Julio in June 25, 1995. By Executive Sentence Dictated in Mexico on 08/30/1995 by the Second Court of this city Julio recognized Javier as his legitimate son. Javier mother passed away from cancer in 1999. Javier filled an appeal to US Immigration department but the appeal was denied by District Director, Los Angeles California in September 18, 2003. Is important to mention Julio and his family lived in California.

    Javier came here following US immigration law with a petition made by my father a US Citizen. The civil liberties, due process, 14 & 11 amendment and will of my father were ignored by us immigration system. The immigration system is giving the message that the rights from a US Citizen does not exit. Therefore marriage between a man (Puerto Rico) and a woman (Mexican) are less. This gives the effect to disfranchise the children of Puerto Rican/Mexican married legally in California.

    Javier case can help you to present facts and problems of US Immigration and create dialog to find solutions. Javier came to this country following his family unit respecting the US Immigration law. Javier studied at Huntington Park Highs School (LAUSD) and attended Cypress Junior College. Javier got the opportunity to work with California School system, non-profit organizations and business sector. Javier need help to find a solution to his immigration status

  4. I believe it is now time for Mexican Americans and African Americans to unite in this fight for equal rights under the law. The greatest number of in prisoned young men are Mexican and African Americans. We need to look at the last injustices done to both of these groups ( immigration and this so called trial). There will never be justice for those of us who continue to allow the masses continue to subject us to a corrupt court system and corrupt congress. Neither of us can take on this fight alone as organizations any more. We may have come together in past fights but now we need to swear our allegiance to one another to fight not only for something but against all the injustice we have endured through the years. We are the change America needs to see. We are the oppressed.

  5. civil rights, george zimmerman needs help. Can you explain to me why this org. can’t help .or are you trying to? I apoligize for this blog if I didn’t go by the rules.

  6. Please, where is your support for George Zimmerman and the injustice he is being subjected to. He was found not guilty for defending his life. Why is he being made an example of regarding this race issue by Obama, the DOJ, the media, Sharpton, Jackson etc.. George isn’t racist and never has been racist. He will never lead a normal life just because he defended his life legally according to Florida law. I was asked online by a Hispanic man why your organization isn’t speaking out for George. I didn’t know how to answer that. Can you help me?

  7. Where is La Raza’s official response to the George Zimmerman/Trayvon Martin verdict? I have searched your website and found nothing — perhaps I am looking in the wrong areas? The only bits I was able to find outside of the website from La Raza spokespeople were quotes claiming “disappointment and sadness” regarding the not guilty verdict and an older quote by a spokesperson claiming there was “evidence of bigotry and discrimination” by George Zimmerman. Huh? Did a jury not just find this hispanic man not guilty and yet there is virtual radio silence by La Raza — an organization that claims to promote “civic engagement” on such issues that affect our country? Is this not the PERFECT opportunity to weigh in and discuss the issues? This whole incident and trial is an all-around tragedy to be sure — but if La Raza has other evidence that supports their claim that there was bigotry and discrimination (that the jury didn’t consider) by Zimmerman then please — let’s hear it so it can be discussed further. Perhaps that would promote the civic engagement that La Raza claims to engage in? La Raza has an opportunity here and yet you have remained virtually silent. True, Mr. Zimmerman is not completely 100% hispanic — as he has a white father, but I truly hope this could not be La Raza’s reasoning for lack of discussion, because that would smack of discrimination indeed — would it not?? It would be interesting to hear an intelligent perspective on the issue by your organization. Thank you.

  8. I would like to know why La Raza, isn’t standing up for the rights of George Zimmerman, who by the way was acquitted (that means not guilty). Not to mention one of the jurors was Latina. No matter who says what it was a self defense incident not a stand your ground incident. Be careful about supporting a change in stand your ground Castle Law. It became a law to help people not hinder them in defending themselves. I grew up in Illinois who has no Castle Law, that means if someone is breaking into your home while your there you have to back up to the furthest point of your home before you can defend yourself, if not your guilty. I think it’s disgraceful on the part of NCLR not to defend one of our own people who went through the legal system and was found not guilty by his peers. I don’t know why NCLR feels they have to side with NAACP to feel important. Maybe NCLR should stand their ground!!!!!

  9. I would like to know if the NCLR is taking any stance to help Mr. George Zimmerman with his legal issues the federal government has indicated they will take after his acquittal?

  10. The silence of our leading national Hispanic organizations in the George Zimmerman case is deafening but yet speak volumes. No single credible investigation by law enforcement or journalists has been able to come up with any evidence that GZ was in fact acting on racial impulses when he got into an altercation with T. Martin resulting in TM’s death. As his life continues to be dissected, the exact opposite is what is clearly apparent. He has a long history of friendships with African Americans, even volunteering to work with African American youths. Yet, the African American community continues its witch hunt to find something (anything) to convict him of in order to satisfy their misplaced need for vengeance. Meanwhile, the Hispanic community stands quietly on the side lines acting as if they have no right to step in with their own dispassionate observations. We are a growing minority with a voice that should be likewise growing, but yet our national organizations that we expect to advocate on our behalf are lead by cowards. Afraid to offend the African American community, we lower ourselves to willing victims. This is why I refuse to join organization like La Raza. You continue to show a lack of credibility.

  11. Why isn’t NCLR supporting Zimmerman against death threats and relentless attacks. He’s a Latino who went through the legal system, found innocent, yet has been excoriated in the press, on social media and especially in the black community. His family is in hiding. As a Latino senior, I am new to this website. But really, how can this organization be quiet on this?

  12. Why isn’t La Raza supporting George Zimmerman? This is disgusting that this Hispanic American has to remain in hiding from death threats and La Raza does nothing. If you don’t start publicly supporting Mr. Zimmerman and all Hispanics, I will never support or donate to your organization again.

  13. Recently a Latino issue has arisen within the NYPD! We understand the department policy that members of the service are required to communicate department business in the English language. NYC Mayor Bloomberg made a statement that “this is life and death; everybody has to be able to understand the same commands instantly and go in the direction they’re ordered when lives are on the line.”What life or death emergency was there when Officer Guzman who was working the telephone switchboard in the 24 Pct. was asked by another Spanish speaking officer if she wanted coffee and her reply was in Spanish? This had nothing to do with department business! The Police Commissioner stated “Suppose you are a citizen and you walk into a precinct and find police officers speaking Gaelic”, it would be unsettling, right?” Well how many Gaelic speaking officers are there compared to Latinos in the department? What language does the largest contingent of immigrants speak? English is the predominant language in this country and second is Spanish. Even politicians learn to speak Spanish for our Latino votes! How many learn to speak Gaelic or any of the other languages that are the make-up of this great city’s population? Does that mean that if you are Spanish you need to give up your identity or who you are because you want a simple cup of coffee? Don’t get it wrong, the people of this city need a police department that works as a unified force and the fact that some Police Officers speak a second or third language is advantageous, but this begs to question if a Hispanic Executive Officer in the NYPD of which there are not many, speaks Spanish, Is he or she not capable of leading. Why have Spanish speaking officers working in neighborhoods like Washington Heights, Jackson Heights or Spanish Harlem. If this policy is what the Mayor is hanging his sombrero on then by all accounts the language line that the Department touts should not exist, because all it does is connect victims of crimes to a person that speaks a language other than English. Why during his reelection campaign or during news briefings would Mayor Bloomberg take the time to address his Spanish speaking constituents in grammatically correct Spanish?

    A department spokesperson, Inspector Kim Royster stated, “We speak in one voice, English only!” Really? The obvious problem with the statement is that this is like advocating speaking with one voice as a way of urging us Latinos to pipe down. That statement is coming from an office where there are only two Spanish members out of twenty plus members. I guess this spokesperson doesn’t consider the Spanish language media of vital importance considering it has the largest viewership in the world. This spokesperson obviously forgot the Spanish language inserts that were mandatory issued, to be carried by every Police Officer. It is OK when the average cop is on patrol and is asked to translate not only Spanish but any language to help a citizen, but according to the powers that be they are breaking the rules. We are a diverse department but we can’t speak Spanish to ask for a café con leche? This is a just another dangerous tool that can and will be used, apparently to target Latinos and we want to make sure we are not targeted when we ask for a cup of café or mention the word, bodega?

    The NYPD prides itself in being the most diverse in the world and many Police Officers today are from other countries and they learned English in order to become citizens and join this department. To some English is their second language, so it comes natural to speak in their own language? For this incident to become precedent in the Police Department when we are facing more serious issues as stop and frisk or the proposed oversight being sought by some in the City Council, just shows that not all decisions being made by our leaders are for the good of this City.

    The next logical step would be to reprimand an Officer of Asian descent for ordering Chow Fun or an Officer of Greek descent for ordering a Gyro or for that matter maybe start issuing summons for not wearing a bicycle helmet while riding a Citi bike. Sorry, shockingly that second enforcement already has a pass. I guess the point the leader of this city Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg and Police Commissioner Raymond W. Kelly are making to the Hispanics in the “Greatest Police Department in the World” is don’t get caught asking for Bustelo.

    Dennis Gonzalez
    President

    • When My ancestors immigrated, a few hundred years ago, Through Ellis Island, they spoke no English. They spoke Nordic, French and German. They had to pass a stringent physical evaluation and also prove they had marketable skills and were not considered burdens to their host nation. Some came as indentured servants. Most came with nothing and expected nothing except freedom. They took pride in learning English as their “primary” language and instilled in generation after generation that this was now their “Country” and their “Language”. They didn’t say I’m “Swedish”, “French” or “German” who just happens to “Live” in America. They became the essence of being “American”. This is not what “Americans” have been seeing or experiencing from many that have recently (since the ’80s) arrived within our borders. There’s a vast difference between orderly immigration/assimilation and blatant/overt disregard for the law of the land.

  14. Will the next Mayor Appoint a Hispanic Police Commissioner?

    The NYPD Hispanic Society’s mission is to make sure Hispanic Police Officers are represented throughout the different ranks and appointed to policy making positions within the New York Police Department. This will ensure that qualified Hispanic Officers in every rank have the opportunity to excel without being overlooked for promotions within the discretionary ranks.

    In the upcoming mayoral election we know several candidates have preliminarily conferred with law enforcement professionals as they look to develop their public safety agenda. By the end of this year our newly elected Mayor will begin the arduous task of selecting potential candidates for top posts within their administration, specifically for the position of Police Commissioner of the great City of New York, which is considered the second most important job in local government behind the Mayor and is the reason why we strongly urge the next Mayor to consider appointing a Latino as the new Police Commissioner. There is a wealth of talent and experience that exists amongst the 12,000 Hispanic members of the NYPD of which many anticipate changes after having voted, that will offer the opportunity for a qualified Hispanic Executive to lead the finest police department in the country.

    The NYPD Hispanic Society is ready to provide names of qualified Hispanics within our department and will work with the next Mayor to identify key positions within the department. Who better than the same law enforcement personnel responsible for creating and implementing a blueprint that has seen an unprecedented decline in crime and murder rates over the last ten years to assist in the process of selecting the next New York City Police Commissioner. Our agenda is to make sure Latinos are represented not only in the NYPD but throughout city government that provides important services to our community.

    We also call upon our Hispanic elected officials to come together and agree to push a Latino agenda. Often times Latinos feel they are treated as second-class citizens compared to other minority groups. Whenever an issue arises such as Stop and Frisk, we see our politicians and leaders running to be in front of a camera rather than go and stay in Latino communities. Once the camera lights are off, they often leave like flies looking for the next source of light. The needs of the Latino community have been often included under those of other minorities and many believe when their demands are met, it is presumed that our Latino issues of concern have been addressed. This is not always the case and we want our own seat at the table and demand respect.

    In the coming months many of the candidates will be out in full force at the National Puerto Rican Parade, NY Dominican Parade and other Hispanic parades waving flags and making commercials while speaking a few words in Spanglish. This is not going to earn our trust or votes. We challenge the next mayor to demonstrate their commitment to the Latino community in New York City by appointing a qualified Latino Police Commissioner. The Hispanic Society promises we will continue to make our voices heard until our Latino agenda is met.

    Dennis Gonzalez
    President

  15. Legal Immigrants are welcome with open arms in the US, illegal immigrants are not welcome, US should never reward lawlessness too enter America, illegal immigrants have caused to many murder’s, crime, welfare etc..

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  17. Contacting and empowering the youth vote will be the catalyst for winning in 2014, 2016 and 2018. At 70 years, I can make suggestions and points of interest. In Texas, I reccomend going after the youth vote and Hispanic/Latinos while emphasizing the failure of adequate and proportional representation of minorities.

  18. Live in Chicago–thinking about trying to organize million Hispanic March to show support of protecting families and to extend the policy of DACA. Any suggestions or thoughts?

  19. The mantra of those in charge of this website is that President Obama is enforcing our immigration laws and is deporting illegal immigrants right and left. Wish it were so, but this is completely false. President Obama himself said the numbers “were a little deceptive” since his administration is counting removals that include those simply turned back at the border by I.C.E. The truth is no other administration before has ever included ‘turn backs’ at the border as part of their deportation numbers. President Obama is trying to fool the American people in an election year that he is enforcing our immigration laws when he is actually doing his best to stop enforcement in the the workplace and in the interior.

  20. Was the Program for International Student Assessment (PISA) Test Results a Wake up Call, great article on justdmarkets entitled Old School vs. New School: Does the PISA Results Tell the Whole Story? Also, see link to book for novice investors that was written for kids, also on Nook

  21. I live in auburn Washington and my wife works for childcare she got her pay cut position reduceed and now there trying to make her take a pay cut again basically a sign excepting the reduction or find another job. Two teachers gave two week notice and one quit all because new management has it in formy wife since she tells in detail about child neglect to the llicensor which is required by law but her manager and board said were not saying dont report it but not every little incident a hispanic woman was fired because the new director couldn’t understand the lady which mind u she (the Mexican lad) has been there three yearsto date. Another Mexican lady was fired for forgetting a child unattended which is fine but four white teachers have been left more than 5 times all together and only one had to talk to the director. Only minorities have worked everysingle holiday. I called n left nessages with eeoc naacp nclu and l&i and no one has helpedand i cant get a human on the phone. Plz help my wife is depressed and i cant let my wife be bubullied but i dont want to go back to the old me and do the wrong thing. My wife is a filipina lady that loves kids and been in childcare for 16yrs parents gave us letters other staff gave us letters all how wrong and disscriminatory/racist the director is. The director is a 24yr old little spoiled kid with no kids that has no right being in childcare acting like chilren dont matter…

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